tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post1281701936566713081..comments2024-01-27T06:40:41.709-05:00Comments on def shepherd: Against Marriage Equality? Try This Thought Experimenteshephttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03484081625693013559noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post-49149769388324685452012-03-27T10:37:35.427-04:002012-03-27T10:37:35.427-04:00Dear Anonymous,
You apparently do not appreciate t...Dear Anonymous,<br />You apparently do not appreciate the hetero privileges we receive, nor do you realize the implications of such. A life partner of 30 years does not get the house they both lived in unless it is willed directly to them, they are not given the ability to make decisions for thier partner if something should happen to them, they are unable to share health insurance like married couples in a LOT of places, rights to their kids (especially if there is a very angry ex), a say in legal matters etc. It's not just about getting married in some church! Ignorance and hate somehow looks better when you give it a backing from a religious viewpoint and then it becomes ok? <br />Quoting the bible only works if you believe in it. Plus, if Jesus hung out with a prostitute, why wouldn't he hang out with a gay guy? I think people miss the point that the Bible was rewritten by man for Kings who had their own agendas, but I digress. <br />I do not subscribe to your beliefs, nor do I expect you to subscribe to mine, however, at this time, people are still not treated equal.I do not understand who it damages, if two people who love each other, get married? It has been proven through various studies that gay couples on average, make more money, raise well educated and socially exceptional children who on average have the same statistically straight/gay ratio as a hetero household, and they are usually achieve higher education as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post-35966687178752732802012-03-03T20:24:12.496-05:002012-03-03T20:24:12.496-05:00Shorter Anonymous: "I have a warped morality ...Shorter Anonymous: "I have a warped morality that forces me to hate my fellow man for no good reason. Allow me to quote some pro-slavery Bronze Age savages instead of practicing compassion and living in the real world."cdogzillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10329502756815335672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post-71735675401971944052012-03-03T19:35:13.869-05:002012-03-03T19:35:13.869-05:00There are many references in the Bible about how h...There are many references in the Bible about how homosexuality is 'deviant behavior'. If you believe in the Bible and God, you cannot go against the teachings. If you don't believe in God and the Bible, then the passages don't make any difference to you. A few of the Bible quotes are listed below:<br /><br />Lev. 18:22 , "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."<br /><br />Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."<br /><br />1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."<br /><br />Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."<br /><br />For anyone to use argument that Jesus would be okay with homosexuality has obviously not read the Bible.<br /><br />As far as your life partner not being able to come see you in the hospital, there are no laws against people visiting you. Sometimes in extreme health issues, not even family is allowed to be with the patient. As to your end of life decisions, you can appoint someone to be an executor of your living will. That person can be a friend, a family member. Many of the issues gay people bring up don't exist. And could you imagine the divorce courts if gays married? <br /><br />We still live in a predominately a Christian society. Would it be too difficult to leave some traditions alone? Besides, marriage isn't all it's cracked up to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post-37614132161406740982012-03-02T17:08:46.447-05:002012-03-02T17:08:46.447-05:00I like this "thought experiment" but als...I like this "thought experiment" but also agree that it is lost on the illogical. a person reading this that is logical enough to follow it is already in the same mindset (except on after-school-specials, simple minded logical epiphanies seem to work there - oh and the Lifetime Channel). <br /><br />as an alternative to your straightforward "...everything is different. Including your sexuality." they could simply counter with, "if I'm opposite, then I'll naturally like the opposite sex."; I propose a more empathetic, yet illogical scenario of: you wake up and you still feel like you but you are in the body of the opposite sex - and as dumb and Hollywood as that sounds, wouldn't you want to be as happy and accepted as you were before? even if that thought is framed inside a potential reaction of, "oh my gawd, I'm a horrible abomination in the eyes of the lo-ard!" I think it still manages to put even the logic impaired into a station of empathy. <br /><br />you can't sway the irrational with logic.jaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06225315581180503459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post-15383666807120458892012-03-01T21:14:56.204-05:002012-03-01T21:14:56.204-05:00Beautifully written. Preaching to the choir with ...Beautifully written. Preaching to the choir with me. I worry that evangelicals, like so many entrenched purists on the left and right, tend to resist logic and reason to sway their gut instincts and emotional biases. I sometimes wonder if actually taking the view that Jesus would absolutely support gay marriage, and finding scriptural evidence and critical textual scholarship of such a proposition, would be a better way to woo those on the right. This approach seems to have taken root with some evangelicals on 'green' issues. While not a believer myself, I can imagine a movement based in scripture that takes up the golden rule and the rights of the minority as a win-win for true believers and proponents of equality. I guess it's hard to find someone who could bridge the divide...hint, hint.<br /><br /><br />Jess CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post-91244467062472285122012-03-01T11:58:08.101-05:002012-03-01T11:58:08.101-05:00You are assuming that those who oppose marriage eq...You are assuming that those who oppose marriage equality are capable of such deep thoughts. Having grown up an evangelical, I can assure you that your point will be completely lost on them.<br /><br />Devil's Advocate (otherwise known as an evangelical):<br />God doesn't make anyone gay, it's a choice. However, if someone has "tendencies" they will just have to look to the Lord to set them on the right path. With Christ, all things are possible.<br /><br />--End of thought experiment--<br /><br />See, took no thought at all...and that's how they like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055871156862762353.post-15686612589305532312012-03-01T11:57:03.078-05:002012-03-01T11:57:03.078-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Shannah, Grady and Zanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09585593457754136281noreply@blogger.com